Defending Judyth Vary Baker: the Education Forum-- and Its Biased Accusations -- a Response

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JUDYTH REPLIES TO JACK ABOUT HER LETTERS
This response serves as a reply to post #1111 from Jack as well as this one. I have been snowed under by the blizzard and want to post Judyth's reply promptly.
I find it fascinating how many who are attacking Judyth
--including Glenn Viklund, Barb Junkkarinen, and (now)
even Jack White--appear entirely willing to depend upon
John McAdams. We are way past the point of (what is known as) diminishing returns in relation to this thread.
JUDYTH RESPONDS:How sad. Jack White has been accessing John McAdams' pages, for only there is my love letter to Lee described as Jack has described it. Jack has been fooled by McAdams & Co. into saying that I "presented a lot of "love letters" written to Robert as being to LHO (salutations torn off)." He parrots these lies as if they are facts:'presented a lot of love letters' is what the McAdams site say. This is a sad day, to see Jack state such a thing, when I could have answered his questions fully.

i) I presented ONLY ONE love letter to "60 Minutes"
--the only one I ever wrote to Lee.
ii) There is only ONE letter to Robert Baker inthe record. I saved it to prove the situation in New Orleans. The other letter was to Lee. I never had
possession of any other of Robert Baker's love
letters. Of course he has them (unless his wife threw
them away).

I am sorry to see Jack taking time to read material offered by the WC defender,John McAdams, and his cohorts. Here is what Jack wrote:
"Has anyone corresponded with Robert Baker
lately? From what I have seen on the internet,
he does not believe his ex's tales. Also notedthat JVB presented a lot of "love letters"
written to Robert as being to LHO (salutationstorn off)."
My reply:
Jack, you went to the Internet and are now parrotting what you found there. You
could have asked questions instead of stating 'factoids' from McAdams & Co.

Now you'll get the facts.

1) Typically, Robert Baker does not respond. However, his wife may respond for him, pretending to be Robert Baker. Dr. Howard Platzman exposed her as POSING as Robert Baker in emails.

She married Baker in the late 1980's and knewnothing of what transpired in 1963.

However, she said Robert Baker remembered returning to Florida on July 20, 1963.
He (or, rather, she) said I was lying about saying any later.But paycheck stubs, utility payment checks, bank statements, and more show that we remained
in New Orleans until early SEPTEMBER. Robert Baker was 'off' on the date by six weeks. He was out of town so much he has few memories of New Orleans.
2) Mr. Baker is a genius with an IQ of 186,measured and known. However, his memory of
details many other people recall is dismal.
A math genius, he was unable to remember his own mother's maiden name when asked for it on our marriage license. I attach our marriage license,showing a blank there.

(THE MARRIAGE LICENSE PHOTO CAN BE SEEN IN THE DOCUMENTARY,

"THE LOVE AFFAIR": this is a blurry screen shot...the empty information line is at lower left)

He could not remember the names of his elementary school teachers. He forgot what
grade his oldest son was in. He spent morereal time with his parents that summer than he spent in New Orleans, and the rest of his time was out in the Gulf of Mexico. We have his dated letters showing exactly where he was all summer,and what he was doing. We can account for every single day where he was--something he
is unable to do. He did admit that I might have had an affair that summer, though he is certain (and is correct) that was the only time I would have conducted an affair. Ho

wever, his wife may comeup with some stories for you, posing as him.

Take your chances.

3) The love letter that is supposed to have its salutation torn off'

-- the ONLY leter I ever submitted, the ONLY letter I ever showed anybody, written
to Lee, has its salutation intact. What was torn was
part of a quotation on the right side, top. NOBODY writes a salutation on the upper right-hand corner. It's always on the left-hand side.


McAdams & Co. wrote: "notice there is no name
for recipient; section torn off."
But let's examine this letter and see if it could have been written to my much-absent husband who neglected me the entire summer, who left me alone in New Orleans one day after we were married, without tellng me how to reach him.
On the other hand, that summer Lee and I became involved in dangerous matters. This letter was written to Lee after he told me he believed he was going to be killed, and that he was sorry he had gotten me involved in his life. Read the letter and
see how serious it is about life and death. ANYONE who reads my book will know that
Robert's impact on me was very different. He wasgone so much that I decided to divorce him, andonly because I was forced back to Florida by Ochsner did I stay with him. Always fond of him,Robert had

no troubles or trials for me to worry about.

Before going any further, look at the torn-off section: the words 'thou" and "bestowed" can be read. I wrote someting there such as,
"Thou, upon whom I bestowed my love."


There is nothing there to suggest a name torn off....'thou' begins on the same line across as "My dearest love."

Indeed, the letter was given to "60 Minutes" intact.
It was damaged later, when vandals ripped up

many
of my papers. They saw the letter intact.
Dr. Howard Plazman saw the letter intact.

I did not dare address Lee by name. Lee r

eturned
the letter because he did not dare carry it to Mexico
City, but he did not want it destroyed. We hoped to
keep the letter as part of our history as lovers in
New Orleans. Certainly I own no letters that I wrote
to Robert, except the one I took with me when we
divorced, to prove I came alone to New Orleans.

I originally planned to take my knowledge to the
grave, but wanted evidence passed on to my oldestson.

Thus, I kept the New Orleans letter to Robert. And of course, I kept the precious letter, to Lee..

Note that I underlined the word 'dearest' because I had two lovers in my life at that time:

(McAdams & Co, wrote the info in the black area,
that Mr. White read)
I wrote: "you are forever immortal because of what we
have between us."
Who brings up death in a love letter?
Who would write (if we fled and had to stay in hiding):

"A lifetime of sorrow could lie ahead for us, but what
difference? Together, today, we live forever!"

And why write "I won't forget" to Robert Baker, who had left me to fend for myself in New Orleans?

I would never forget that Lee rescued me after I was thrown out in the middle of the night onto the streets of New Orleans, and he found me an apartment and paid 1/3 of the rent for it. Robert would be gone up to 21 days at a time, as his letters prove. McAdams & Co. posted what the "fake" Robert Baker [his wife] told them, that 'he' was out a week and home for 4 days at a time, that summer. But his letters and paycheck stubs, which I kept to prove his whereabouts, show that was not the case.

And what about "And I love you forever, dearest beloved, no matter what! Kisses and love,
your Judy."

No matter what?

We didn't know what was going to happen to us!
WHO touched me, 'so gently, so lovingly, so
surely, like the gentlest raindrops on parched soil'?

[note the photo of Robert and me in Fort Walton

Beach, on arrival for brief visit in July, 1963.

Body language is stiff and my frown does not

show satisfaction with my new, neglectful husband]

Was it the man who sent me a POST CARD when he came through New Orleans with his friends, who dropped it into a postbox to his new, young, lonelywif

e who was LIVING in New Orleans, saying he would be coming by to see me in a few days, and
complaining about how hot it was... Oh, and asking me to be sure to eat well?

Who signed off on a letter to me as 'Rat" --
knowing he'd neglected me terribly?

Instead of relying on inaccurate and biased
"information" from McAdams & Co., please
ask the witness next time, and get the truth. Instead of McAdams'
misleading factoids, check:

http://www.judythbaker.blogspot.com
http://www.judythvarybaker.com

http://www.lee-harvey-oswald.com

htp://www.jfkmurdersolved.com

People, the thread has gotten too long.

It's time for those who care about the truth to go to one of these sites.

You can ask questions there without hunting for answers in a long thread.

If Mr. White prefers to use McAdams' flawed mate

rial, stating factoids from that kind of person, when the witness is standing here ready to answer his
questions, it's time to urge everyone who really cares about these matters to visit elsewhere, as indicated, for the correct information.

I also am now 'on the road' and cannot respond
to questions here anymore. I will be all but
incommunicado for at least 8 weeks, until I getsafe Internet connections again.

I believe many questions have been answered and that honest researchers can see that many rumors floating out there were wrong.

My family's name was not "Avary,"
I never had lots of love letters to show people,

I really did do advanced cancer research,
KanKun was not the same as Cancun, Lee DID arrive in New Orleans on April 25 as I
stated, neither Lee nor I knew that David Atlee Phillips was his handler's real name until almost the last minute (despite Mr. Lifton's twisted version),

I was NOT kicked off the DellaRosa forum for abusive posts,I DID receive protection (including inhibition) in the EU political asylum system, etc., etc.
Thank you, everyone who has been polite, and decent.

Be sure to tune in to hear Edward Haslam's next broadcast with Dr. Jim Fetzer. Be sure and get the eye-opening book Dr. Mary's Monkey.

And think about pre-purchasing Me & Lee from my website. Those who do will eventually receive a personalhand-written thank-you leter of appreciation for
doing so.

God bless you all,

Judyth Vary Baker (modified with photos and a few more comments,

Oct. 2010)

[quote name='Jack White' post='189471' date='Apr 11 2010, 10:26 PM']

Good post, Don...except JVB is NOT the only one who knows the truth.
Her former husband said she was with him in the fall of '63 in Florida,
NOT IN NEW ORLEANS. He said that when LHO's photo was published
as the assassin, that his wife exclaimed to him, "I think I knew
that guy in New Orleans!"
Maybe someone should track down Robert Baker.
[p.s. from JVB: He's been tracked down, folks...i's been ten years since I spoke out...]
Jack

[quote name='Don Jeffries' post='189468' date='Apr 11 2010, 08:19 PM']Lee,

Thanks for one of the best posts in a very, very long thread.

The critical community seems never to learn; once again, we can see why so little progress has been made over the years. Too many egos, too many combative and sensitive personalities- it's an old story. We end up incessantly battling each oth

er over theories and side issues. As Pamela notes, it's essential that CTers stand together for what will certainly be the biggest onslaught of lone nutterism to date when the 50th anniversary rolls around in a few years.

As I noted in an earlier post, only Judyth knows the truth about her and Lee Harvey Oswald. At this point, failing any new irrefutable piece of evidence, I think we're beating a dead horse here.

I would hope that this contentious issue doesn't irreperably damage the relationships between fine researchers like Jack White, Jim Fetzer and Da

vid Lifton. We've had too many of these feuds in the past, and they've been tremendous roadblocks in exposing the truth about the JFK assassination. Let's not let this issue further divide us. Reasonable people can disagree about Judyth Baker, or John Armstrong, or James Files, etc. Let's all stay aware of the big picture and remember that our foremost objective ought to be exposing the impossibility of the official story.[/quote]
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JUDYTH REPLIES TO JACK WHITE ABOUT "THE TWO JUDYTH BAKERS"

NOTE: It does seem to be late in the day for Jack to be raising some of these
questions, especially since he never directs them to Judyth. This is one more
manifestation of his his extreme bias against her, which, of course, is shared
by most of those who attack her here. The others, by and large, are not very
surprising and, I suppose, Jack's closed-mindedness should not surprise me,
either. He hasn't read the books, listened to the interviews, or even read the
posts that Judyth and I have put up. Perhaps he won't even read her replies.
JUDYTH RESPONDS:

Jack White wrote:

I have been searching for information on TWO JUDYTH VARY BAKERS. Nothing.
But I found several interesting tidbits.
...JVB's eyesight is so poor that she has a seeing eye guide dog.

...JVB's former husband Robert gave a version of the story of the assassination contrary to JBV's. He said that at summer's end, he and Judy were both enrolled at the fall semester at the University of Florida in Gainesville, and on November 22 the
assassination happened,

==This is NOT "contrary to JVB's" story! Why not ask ME, Jack? You are once again accessing tainted sources and relying o

n Robert Baker's exceptionally poor memory.

1) I worked M-F 8:00 AM to 5:00 PM at Peninsular ChemResearch, Inc. I worked OVER-
TIME there twice a week at night, usually until 10:00 PM doing independent work. I have provided PenChem records of my work there, including my presence there Nov. 22, 1963.

2) I was also enrolled for 7 hours of night classes, at University of Florida, which I attended on T-TH nights, for which I have also provided records.
3) After the assassination, I was so upset I could not take my final exams, held not long after. Just one more coincidence? How many do you want? In August, 1964, I petitioned to get the H's removed, as I was literally ill due to the effects of seeing Lee shot before my eyes and was in a state of shock...
See attached: 7 hrs grades/

no final exam, Winter Trimester, UF, 1963 (where withdrawal
on the basis of "H" means "withdrawal for reasons related to the health of the student).

and that Judy brought home a newspaper showing the accused assassin,and Judy said, "I think I may have seen this guy in New Orleans".

==Answer (and please think, what would YOU have said?): Robert CAUGHT ME reading about Lee on the 23rd, in the newspaper. Yes, I pored over every word. Do you think I would have told Robert I was in love with Lee Oswald? I had to say something because we NEVER bought a newspaper, we read them at the library for free. So I said, and this is the correct quote, "I think I worked with him at Reily's in New Orleans."==

This is in contrast to the JVB story.

==No, it is not. You accessed tainted information. You did not ask the witness, who came to this forum to answer questions. Instead, you accessed a hostile website and quoted from it, stating it as "fact"' -- a website that prints hearsay and innuendo about me, written by people who defend the Warren Commission.

And now I have to travel, as I mentioned a couple of weeks ago. My time here is ending. You
could have asked so many questions, Jack. I answered in full the only question you did ask.
All the other things you posted about me were falsehoods offered as facts, obained from others.
You only had to ask....==

Has anyone checked the U of F enrollment records
to see whether Robert and Judy were enrolled there in September?

==I have provided the records. I was enrolled at UF at night. I was also working fulltime at the same time, at PenChem, working 44-50 hours a week. I have the W-2 form to go with the attached checks, and the income tax records, too, for 1963. I filled my income tax return separately from Robert Baker, because I wanted a clear record of my income to prove it.

I also illustrated for UF's The New Orange Peel magazine at that same time. In other words, I saw as little of my neglectful husband as possible. I was in love with Lee H. Oswald.==

Judyth


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